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Princess Eugenie of York

Discussions:

RM, Princess Eugenie → Princess Eugenie of York, No consensus, 21 November 2018, Talk:Princess Eugenie/Archive 1#Requested move 21 November 2018
RM, Princess Eugenie of York → Princess Eugenie, Mrs Jack Brooksbank, Consensus not to move, Requested move 20 November 2019, Talk:Princess Eugenie/Archive 1#Requested move 20 November 2019
RM, Princess Eugenie of York → Princess Eugenie, Consensus to move, 20 December 2019, Talk:Princess Eugenie/Archive 1#Requested move 20 December 2019

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Can somebody update the "alleged" event in 2003? RickK | Talk 20:37, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Meh, Jiang took care of it =P. ugen64 01:12, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

"Mrs Jack Brooksbank"?!

Are we stuck in the 50ies? Since when are women referred to by their husbands name anymore?? 78.55.75.134 (talk) 20:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may ask the same thing about the "Princess" part too. In any case, please do not pose the same question in two places. Surtsicna (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As the article states, for better or worse that is how she is officially known in the court circular, and you may well find in some other official contexts. PatGallacher (talk) 20:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See official royal family webpage - no mention of husbands surname. https://www.royal.uk/statement-princess-beatrice-and-princess-eugenie 202.7.202.202 (talk) 09:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That statement is the only mention of Eugenie at that site? There's only just enough room to put "Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie"? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See Princess Eugenie’s official Instagram. Doesn’t use her husband’s name. https://www.instagram.com/princesseugenie/ 202.7.202.202 (talk) 04:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See also bio of the Duke of York from the official royal website. Shows the names of Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie and their husbands listed separately. https://www.royal.uk/the-duke-of-york 202.7.202.202 (talk) 04:46, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See the official list at https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/documents/2025-02/ANNEX%20D%20-%20Royal%20Family.pdf.

Also https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a27787126/princess-eugenie-jack-brooksbank-take-husband-name-change/

https://people.com/royals/princess-eugenie-uses-husbands-last-name-jack-brooksbank/

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2019060373713/princess-eugenie-new-official-name-after-royal-wedding/

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1158851/princess-eugenie-of-york-wedding-title-hrh-status-princess-jack-brooksbank-latest-news

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/10/12/how-come-princess-eugenie-commoner-groom-didnt-get-title/1594927002/

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a22530381/princess-eugenie-jack-brooksbank-kids-royal-titles/ DrKay (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Those latter sources all date from 2018/19, immediately after Eugenie's marriage, and refer (where they claim any sort of official authority at all) to how the Court Circular then described her. But since then Elizabeth II has died, things have moved on, and Beatrice and Eugenie's activities are no longer listed in the Court Circular, so that's all really quite irrelevant. I'm slightly more persuaded by your "official list" (which from the url appears to date from Feb 2025); but – although I'm not questioning that it's genuine – it seems to be "Annex D" to some other rather obscure document relating to "marks", and I'm unable to find any route into it from www.royal.uk, so I'm not really convinced. The most authoritative source cited so far seems to be Eugenie's Instagram – no mention of her husband's name. GrindtXX (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's Annex D to the Lord Chamberlain's guidance at https://www.royal.uk/use-of-royal-arms. DrKay (talk) 18:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They've not divorced, have they? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, no suggestion of that. I'm just saying that, on the evidence so far adduced, she currently seems to style herself, and be styled, "Princess Eugenie" pure and simple. GrindtXX (talk) 16:39, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So what about "On her marriage, she was styled..."? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine by me, but I think this dispute is more about what we call her in the lede sentence. To my mind, "Princess Eugenie, Mrs Jack Brooksbank" looks a bit clunky and distracting, and unless we have some really solid evidence that that's her official style, or how she's currently styled in reliable sources, it should probably be pruned. (On the other hand, I'm quite happy with the way the two titles are laid out in the infobox.) GrindtXX (talk) 19:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are three different instances to determine. Or perhaps there's some unwritten Wiki-Royal rule that they all have to be the same? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on Charles III

There is an RfC on Talk:Charles III#RfC: Inclusion of "Agnatic house" which may relate to this article. Feel free to contribute. Estar8806 (talk) 03:08, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms

The notes state: "Coronet: a coronet composed of four crosses formy and four strawberry leaves." But this claim is unsourced. The illustration shows what appears to be a crown, not a coronet. Why is this? 86.187.239.160 (talk) 19:59, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It also seems that crosses formy are the same thing as crosses pattee. So not sure which is the more correct term and when. 86.187.239.160 (talk) 22:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's just a coronet as it does not have arches. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 08:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coats of arms and copyright

A discussion is going on at the Commons concerning the copyright status of several coats of arms that are in use on pages related to British royalty. Please feel free to share your comments and input at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Coat of arms of Queen Camilla.svg. Thanks. Keivan.f^Talk 18:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]